User talk:Dthaiger/GDI Nod Debate2

Response to Brother Tagaziel
I see. I should point out that you must perform basic research before applied research. (IE, one has to figure out what Tiberium is before one can determine how it is to be stopped. Furthermore, again, you cannot just say: 'Oh, you have had 50 years to do X,' even though the X you have been working on is of high importance. I will provide a different example, since you do not like Fermat's last theorem. For example, Fusion energy research was first commenced in 1946, and continued until at least 2006. That's a period of 60 years. And because fusion power was considered to be the next great clean energy source, this was a project that received incredible scrutiny. . Furthermore, all scientists concerned agree that Tiberium research is hard. Note that GDI managed, within a period of one year, to clean the atmosphere before it became completely toxic to humanity.

I should point out that when we captured Slavik and Oxanna, we also captured the Montauk. Slavik and Oxanna were rescued by a Nod Commando operation. The Montauk was not, and remains in GDI hands.

Finally, let me say this: A very low yield tactical nuclear bomb is about 1 kiloton. That is the energy of detonating 1000 tons worth of TNT, or maybe 700 Tons of C4. A reasonably sized tactical nuclear weapon is 10 to 20 times that size. You leveled a good portion of a civilian town, and killed hundreds, if not thousands of people. My sources indicate this was done simply because you had no further use for the town, and because you wanted to kill a specific 7 people. Now, this may have been the specific purpose, but that doesn't make it a noble one. Just because a person is not wanton does not make him or her not evil, or not wrong.

Now let me answer your questions, and pose some to you

1) Tratos was defended by the most advanced defensive system available to GDI, the Firestorm Defense system, and surrounded by dozens of soldiers, including a Ghostalker commando unit, equipped with a railgun. We had also arranged an air pickup if significant Nod forces were detected by a pair of Mobile Sensor Arrays that we had set up, and had Hover MLRS units on patrol in the water Your attack was brilliant, but don't complain that the defenses were weak. And in any case, you kill him, and then you complain that GDI isn't making progress because he is dead. That's like robbing me, and then complaining that I don't have any money.

2) Nod leveled the facility, and from what GDI intelligence can tell us, Slavik never entered the Zone. Slavik was captured by in a separate ruse by McNeil, at which point, Slavik, Oxanna, and the Montauk were all captured. And you cannot argue that there are not still many mutants who despise the Brotherhood because of the action against that facility. Also, you cannot argue both that McNeil's feelings for Umagon outweighed his concern for his troops AND that he has no feelings at all.

3) If you're referring to the Tacitus when you make the question: "why wasn't it tested..." when stating this, I remind you that Tiberium Containment, as important as it was, was not GDI's first priority immediately after it's acquisition. The first priority was scrubbing the air / decontaminating the air so that Humans could still breath. If the atmosphere becomes 100 percent toxic, we run out of air quickly. After that, then we needed to figure out a way to contain the spread of Tiberium, which is significantly easier (although still hard), than destroying Tiberium. After this, we tried to destroy Tiberium, and we have recently met with success. Also, the data may have been available, but it is extremely hard to digest.

Dr. Boudreau, upon first glance, said that the Tacitos contained millions of Teraquads of Data. One quad = 128 bits. Tera = 1024^4, which equals 1099511627776. So we have at least:

2 *10^6 * 1.0995 * 10^12 * 128 = 281,474,976,710,656,000,000 bits of data, which is equivalent to 281 exabits. And given that this is at first glance, it is highly likely that this is a lower bound, and that the actual amount of data in the tacitus is much higher. Performing data analysis on this much data would take an extraordinarily long time - simply sorting it would take huge amounts of computing power. (For comparison, Google's total reserves as of 2006 are estimated to be approximately 4 to 5 orders of magnitude less than this lower bound.)

3. I suppose if it were possible, we would relocate them to a contained area so they wouldn't hurt us. That's just not possible.

4. As for your questions of nobility, I'm pretty sure that you're referring to the usage of a captured Orca helicopter to try and fool the civilians in the area. Even if it's true, which it is not, Nod executed civilians on numerous occassions - for example, the raid on Nikoomba, the destruction of a civilian village for their Tiberium supplies further south, etc.

Now let me ask you some questions myself: Some of these relate to points I raised earlier, that were never addressed.

1) You have formed an argument around McNeil and Slavik. However, you have not formed an opinion related to Kane and General Solomon. I have made an argument that Kane is a Psychopath, and to greater degree than Slavik or McNeil (not that I admit McNeil is one), especially based on what he has ordered, which includes the Nuclear destruction of one of his own generals, Vega. Why is he not a Psychopath?

2) If you believe - truly believe - that Tiberium is the Way, then why are you not in the red zones, where Tiberium has truly taken over? If Divination actually works to render mankind immune to Tiberium, then I would expect you to have a formidable presence there.

3) We didn't have to have as many red and yellow zones as we do now, you know. Kane launched Tiberium Chain reaction missiles that, in addition to murdering untold millions, transformed much of Europe into the yellow and red zones we see today. To put it more succinctly: Nod has done everything it can to infest the world with Tiberium, and then Brother Tagaziel complains that GDI hasn't been able to stop them. How can you reconcile this?